There are trees older than the redwoods that predate the flood and show no signs that there ever was a flood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(tree)
There are also many other methods that disprove there was ever a global flood.
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Can the Redwoods Date the Flood?
by Seven inscience, biblical and anti-biblical, recognizes that there was a period of time in the distant past when the earth was barren.
how long ago and how long it lasted is a matter of conjecture...unless one accepts the biblical record.
but out in california, almost as far west as one can go, there stand beautiful monuments to the past-the redwoods: monuments that were seedlings when noah was laid to rest; saplings when the tower of babylon was deserted; stalwart young giants when david downed his giant.
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Jim Holt: Why does the universe exist?
by Brokeback Watchtower inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoruuqjd81m
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Why is there something rather than nothing?
Because, as far as we know, "nothing" is not possible. We have no examples of nothing. There is no place we can point and say, "Look, there is nothing."
And when "nothing" is put into an equation, we still end up with something. Nothing is unstable. Nothing can't stay nothing. The total sum energy in our universe is ZERO - and yet we still have something. Nothing just isn't possible. That's why there's something rather than nothing.
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JW's NOT identified by a symbol!!
by The Searcher in*** km 9/74 p. 8 question box ***as jehovahs servants we.....................do not want to give others the impression that the tetragrammaton is the symbol of jehovahs witnesses as a whole.
we have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show that we are jehovahs christian witnesses by living in harmony with gods will.john 13:35.. don't you just love those "old" lights?.
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Atheist/Agnostic/Non-religious households are more moral than religious counterparts
by Coded Logic indr. phil zuckerman (professor of sociology).
my own ongoing research among secular americans - as well as that of a handful of other social scientists who have only recently turned their gaze on secular culture - confirms that non-religious family life is replete with its own sustaining moral values and enriching ethical precepts.
chief among those: rational problem solving, personal autonomy, independence of thought, avoidance of corporal punishment, a spirit of "questioning everything" and, far above all, empathy.. the results of such secular child-rearing are encouraging.
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Dr. Phil Zuckerman (Professor of Sociology)
My own ongoing research among secular Americans - as well as that of a handful of other social scientists who have only recently turned their gaze on secular culture - confirms that non-religious family life is replete with its own sustaining moral values and enriching ethical precepts. Chief among those: rational problem solving, personal autonomy, independence of thought, avoidance of corporal punishment, a spirit of "questioning everything" and, far above all, empathy.
The results of such secular child-rearing are encouraging. Studies have found that secular teenagers are far less likely to care what the "cool kids" think, or express a need to fit in with them, than their religious peers. When these teens mature into "godless" adults, they exhibit less racism than their religious counterparts, according to a 2010 Duke University study. Many psychological studies show that secular grownups tend to be less vengeful, less nationalistic, less militaristic, less authoritarian and more tolerant, on average, than religious adults.
Recent research also has shown that children raised without religion tend to remain irreligious as they grow older - and are perhaps more accepting. Secular adults are more likely to understand and accept the science concerning global warming, and to support women's equality and gay rights. One telling fact from the criminology field: Atheists were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s, comprising less than half of 1 percent of those behind bars, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics. This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century - the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.
Another meaningful related fact: Democratic countries with the lowest levels of religious faith and participation today - such as Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Belgium and New Zealand - have among the lowest violent crime rates in the world and enjoy remarkably high levels of societal well-being. If secular people couldn't raise well-functioning, moral children, then a preponderance of them in a given society would spell societal disaster. Yet quite the opposite is the case.
More children are "growing up godless" than at any other time in our nation's history. They are the offspring of an expanding secular population that includes a relatively new and burgeoning category of Americans called the "Nones," so nicknamed because they identified themselves as believing in "nothing in particular" in a 2012 study by the Pew Research Center.
The number of American children raised without religion has grown significantly since the 1950s, when fewer than 4 percent of Americans reported growing up in a nonreligious household, according to several recent national studies. That figure entered the double digits when a 2012 study showed that 11 percent of people born after 1970 said they had been raised in secular homes. This may help explain why 23 percent of adults in the U.S. claim to have no religion, and more than 30 percent of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 say the same.
So how does the raising of upstanding, moral children work without prayers at mealtimes and morality lessons at Sunday school? Quite well, it seems.
Far from being dysfunctional, nihilistic and rudderless without the security and rectitude of religion, secular households provide a sound and solid foundation for children, according to Vern Bengston, a University of Southern California professor of gerontology and sociology.
For nearly 40 years, Bengston has overseen the Longitudinal Study of Generations, which has become the largest study of religion and family life conducted across several generational cohorts in the United States. When Bengston noticed the growth of nonreligious Americans becoming increasingly pronounced, he decided in 2013 to add secular families to his study in an attempt to understand how family life and intergenerational influences play out among the religionless.
He was surprised by what he found: High levels of family solidarity and emotional closeness between parents and nonreligious youth, and strong ethical standards and moral values that had been clearly articulated as they were imparted to the next generation.
"Many nonreligious parents were more coherent and passionate about their ethical principles than some of the 'religious' parents in our study," Bengston told me. "The vast majority appeared to live goal-filled lives characterized by moral direction and sense of life having a purpose."
Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2015/01/19/5589883_children-in-americas-secular-families.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
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troll_R_stupid
by Coded Logic ina guide to getting people to take you seriously - 10 tips for all you dummies.
) do your best to insult everyone's intelligence and upset them as much as possible.
personal attacks are especially effective at getting people on your side..
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A GUIDE TO GETTING PEOPLE TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY - 10 tips for all you dummies
1.) Do your best to insult everyone's intelligence and upset them as much as possible. Personal attacks are especially effective at getting people on your side.
2.) Make your USER NAME grammatically wrong. For example, don't use a plural 's' when it is needed. Or use a chain toy store's capital R.
3.) Claim to be an expert in some field and then use a name for a tool that no one in that industry ever uses.
4.) Tell people they are immoral because they lack a particular belief (especially a belief that isn't substantiated by any evidence).
5.) Completely missrepresent peoples statements and then immediately turn around and tell them to "learn how to read."
6.) Group people who aren't connected in any meaningful way and then say "people like you" are the cause of some problem.
7.) When someone corrects a mistake you made turn around and accuse them of just looking it up on Google and that they're pretending to be an expert.
8.) Have poor math skills.
10.) After you attack and/or insult people - use 'LOL' to confuse them.
Alright dummies, use these tips so you're not such a big idiot . . . LOL.
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Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics
by bohm ina basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.
the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.
this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.
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I've had this discussion a number of times with fundamentalist. Very well put together. Thanks for the epistimic work.
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Hitchens hits the nail squarely on the head in this interview. Islam is a set of beliefs (and some really bad ones at that) and not a race.
"Islamaphobic" is a word created by fascists, and used cowards, to manipulate morons.
- Andrew Cummins
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Dating processes why the big differences?
by Crazyguy ini watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.
this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.
the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.
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What's the name of the "researcher"? What's the name of the documentary? The claims you are making sound wildly inaccurate. Please provide some more information so we can verify what you're claiming. -
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Islam is a religion of Peace
by Coded Logic inwarning: poes law may apply.
i just wanted to take a moment and remind everyone that all muslims are good people.
"real" muslims would never kill in the name of their religion .
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@Crofty,
What does Dr Peter Hammond have to do with anything?
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3 things you didn't know about Rutherford
by Coded Logic ini never realized rutherford was so devious and delinquent.
just found this on a debate forum: .
1) forgery:after c.t.
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I never realized Rutherford was so devious and delinquent. Just found this on a debate forum:
1) Forgery:
After C.T. Russell's death, J.F. Rutherford presented a book called: "The Finished Mystery" that was allegedly written by C.T. Russell after his death. But, according to a New York court, this was a forgery: "After his death and after we were in the war they issued a seventh volume of this series, entitled "The Finished Mystery," which, under the guise of being a posthumous work of Pastor Russell...which were not written by Pastor Russell and could not have possibly been written by him...They were proved false.(1)"
As you can see Rutherford wrote a book trying to impersonate a deceased man, it does not matter what your religious beliefs are, impersonating someone is immoral and illegal.
2) Violation of a Last Will and Testament
a) In C.T Russell's last will and testament, he willed: "As the Society has already pledged to me that it will publish no other periodicals."(2) meaning the Watchtower society. But Rutherford soon began publishing another magazine titled: "The Golden Age" in Oct 1919(3) (today's "Awake") Although he published it at first under a different publishing companies name he eventually published The Golden Age under the Watchtower.(3)
b) In addition to not publishing any new periodicals, the Watchtower had to remain separate from any religion(4) in C.T. Russell's own words: We belong to no earthly organization, hence if you should name the entire list of sects, we should answer no to each and all.(4) But under Rutherford. the Watchtower became totally under the Church of Jehovah's Witnesses and exclusively became its publishing arm.(4)
As you can see C.T. Russell had wishes in his will he clearly stipulated and were clearly violated by Rutherford.
3) ) Promoting Anti-Semitic ideologies in an organization that was dedicated to brotherly love.
Before I go any further I will reiterate that this is a debate about LEGALITY and MORALITY, not THEOLOGY there is nothing per se illegal about Mr. Rutherford's anti-Semitic actions but they were clearly immoral. also I am not here to debate about Zionism but about Mr. Rutherford.
a) While he initially was sympathetic towards Zionists as this publication states: "JUDGE RUTHERFORD, known throughout the world as a friend of the Hebrew people, is vigorously supporting the claim of the Jews to the Holy Land." (5) but later he seemed to change his mind by saying: "I'm speaking of the Palestine Jew, not the hooked-nosed, stooped shouldered little individual who stands on the street corner trying to gyp you out of every nickel you've got."(5). Hypocritical, a little bit, but I am not a person to judge anyone on hypocrisy, this however re-enforces my point that he was a swindler for he portrayed himself as pro-Zionist when it was convenient but became anti-Semitic when it was also convenient, in other words he painted a false picture to his followers regarding his views on Zionism so he could remain popular among them.
b) Also, Rutherford was a fan of the Nazis:"Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles." (5)
IN CONCLUSION:
J.F. Rutherford was a swindler that violated many moral standard (including his own) for he 1) forged C.T. Russell's authorship, 2) violated a legal last will and testament by illegal publishing periodicals using C.T. Russell's society and making said society sectarian despite Mr. Russell's will expressed wishes not to. 3) hypocritical on anti-Semitism and condoning the third Reich's actions, violating most moral standards.
Sources:
(1) http://books.google.com...
(2)http://www.pastor-russell.com...
(3) The Watchtower, Apr, 1 1990
(4) The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses, Heather and Gary Botting, University of Toronto Press, 1984
(5) Jehovah's Witnesses, Anti-semitism and the Third Reich: The Watch Tower Society's Attempted Compromise with Nazism By professor M. James Penton University of Lethbridge, pdf file.Copied from - http://www.debate.org/debates/J.D.-Rutherford-was-a-con-man./1/